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Poster: sugarshack Date: Feb 2, 2009 4:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SELLING OUT!! The Boss, Bob Dylan...The Dead....OUCH, it hurts!!!

What gives you, or anybody else the right to tell another person how or with whom they can have a business arrangement? Bruce Springsteen made a deal with the "evil" Wal Mart because they offered him the most lucrative deal. If he wants to sell his music that way then that's his decision. It's his music, remember. This crap about "dropping the ball on it" sounds like a guy who signed the deal and when his lefty buddies found out he had to apologize. Did he unsign the deal? I didn't think so.

Folks need to remember that these people have families that depend on them. If they can put a product out their and people are willing to pay top dollar for it, I say more power to them. If someone offered you a thousand dollars for the dinosaur fingerpainting(come on we all did one) that you made in the third grade you would take it in a heartbeat. How is this any different?

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Poster: Stealz Date: Feb 2, 2009 6:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SELLING OUT!! The Boss, Bob Dylan...The Dead....OUCH, it hurts!!!

It's different because unlike "The Boss", the majority of the people living in this country do not have a platform from which they are not only able but actually do profess their own opinion on a wide range of social, political, and global matters.

If he wants to fess up and say he made a mistake, cool. If not, no sweat off my sack. I understand the driving force behind the almighty dollar, but you can't stand up on behalf of the common man and his working conditions/rights then get in bed with Wal-Mart and expect nobody to notice.

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Poster: sugarshack Date: Feb 2, 2009 6:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SELLING OUT!! The Boss, Bob Dylan...The Dead....OUCH, it hurts!!!

Agreed. However, what has Bruce Springsteen ever done to stand up for the rights of the working man? I'm not asking to be smart-ass. I'm asking because I don't know. I mean, I'm a working man and I'm pretty sure he's never done a damn thing for me. Wal Mart, on the other hand, enables me to buy goods and services at a fair price in a cinvenient location.

Don't get me wrong, I believe Springsteen to be one of the finest songwriters in recent history, but it's been a hell of a long time since he's had to sweat out the mortgage.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Feb 2, 2009 6:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SELLING OUT!! The Boss, Bob Dylan...The Dead....OUCH, it hurts!!!

i never heard of anything he's done in that regard either. come to think of it, i cannot remember anything he has done of his own to benefit others.

and i'm sure that apology had a hint of a smirk in it. i'm not so sure Faustian really is going "too far" - but, hey, if he can get the quid, good for him. it is not like he professes to be as humanitarian as a bill gates etc

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Poster: craven714 Date: Feb 2, 2009 7:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SELLING OUT!! The Boss, Bob Dylan...The Dead....OUCH, it hurts!!!

Half time show:
I was hoping for a wardrobe malfunction.
The one where Bruces zipper comes down, his balls come flopping out, and his pierced
right scrotum is seen just for a second or two.
I guarentee that shit wouldnt be on you tube the next day.

Your friend: "Hey! Did you see the Bosses pierced balls
last night during the half time show?"

You: "SHIT NO I DIDNT!!" "I didnt see a fucking thing!"

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Feb 2, 2009 7:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SELLING OUT!! The Boss, Bob Dylan...The Dead....OUCH, it hurts!!!

lmao!!!

you are correct, THAT would have been freakin hilarious :)

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Poster: snori Date: Feb 2, 2009 8:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SELLING OUT!! The Boss, Bob Dylan...The Dead....OUCH, it hurts!!!

So this wasn't Bruce , then ?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7864733.stm

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Poster: craven714 Date: Feb 2, 2009 9:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SELLING OUT!! The Boss, Bob Dylan...The Dead....OUCH, it hurts!!!

nice find snori.
I had no idea.
I guess we'll have to wait for SDH to chime in and see
if his porn was interrupted by a superbowl game.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 2, 2009 11:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Local coverage takes on new meaning

We missed it; Tucson only!

Damn. Was Dire involved? Just Bessie?

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Feb 2, 2009 10:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SELLING OUT!! The Boss, Bob Dylan...The Dead....OUCH, it hurts!!! Now Yoko Ono has sold John out to Nike!

"Folks need to remember that these people have families that depend on them."

Yes, until this deal came through, I'm sure Bruce's family was wondering where the next meal was coming from and whether the heat would be turned off. That argument is remineiscent (spelling??) of Weir saying that one reason that all the GD shows were originally pulled (anyone who was here in the fall of 2005 will remember that the archive originally pulled the whole GD collection including auds from the site. After some very severe criticism, the auds were restored fairly quickly, but the sbds were not available, even for streaming, for a while) was so he could send his kids to college.

Come on, Bruce has no real need for this money, Dylan did not have to allow his image and song to be used to shill Pepsi and the Dead don't really need to be charging $100 a ticket and $500 or more for so called VIP packages (it's a sad commentary on our culture, when all you need to be a VIP is extra cash).

I said in my original post here that Yoko had protected John's legacy from Nike. Well I wanted to make sure, and found out that I was very wrong. Yoko has just approved the use of his image and lyrics from Imagine to be used on a new "Peace Trainer" line of sneakers in the converse line!

Look, when you have as much moolah as these guys, it's no longer about feeding the kids, it's about accumulating wealth. It's like those ballplayers who move to another team because they got an extra million or two on a $50,000,000.00 deal. At that point it's only about the benjamins! This is to be expected from athletes, because they mostly don't pretend that it is about anything but money.


" If they can put a product out their and people are willing to pay top dollar for it, I say more power to them. If someone offered you a thousand dollars for the dinosaur fingerpainting(come on we all did one) that you made in the third grade you would take it in a heartbeat. How is this any different?"


It is very different because $1,000 WOULD make a big difference in my immediate ability to feed, clothe and house my family.

HOWEVER:

If I had made my mark, and millions of dollars, by standing up and speaking out against those evildoers who buy and sell dinosaur fingerpaintings at exhorbitant prices, I would not make the sale.

Of course Bruce has the right to make as much money as he can, just don't insult me by claiming to speak for struggling people while you're making a deal with Walmart of all people.

An extra $10,000,000 or so does not make a big difference to a guy who is worth over $100,000,000 and who is earning big bucks on tour and getting millions every month in royalties. This is generational money we are talking about. The kind of money he is worth, and the money he and his estate will make for many many decades to come will keep his family rich for generations, even without the WALMART deal. Unless someone really screws up, his great-great-great ...etc-grandchildren will have a shrine with a portrait of him over the mantle piece that they will worship at and thank every day for making their lives so comfortable as they blast Born To Run on the Home Theater system.

" However, what has Bruce Springsteen ever done to stand up for the rights of the working man?"

I am not aware of anything he has done to directly help the working man, but that is besides the point. He has cultivated that image and sold himself to the working people as a person who will speak for them through his lyrics.

If I was Bruce, and had made a living supposedly as some kind of voice for the working man, I would be very careful about who I went to bed with. Of course, it should come as no surprise if he has lost touch with the working man, he's a multi-multi-millionaire living in some Mansion On The Hill, but you would think he cared about his legacy and image.


This post was modified by Purple Gel on 2009-02-02 18:58:01

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Poster: sugarshack Date: Feb 2, 2009 11:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SELLING OUT!! The Boss, Bob Dylan...The Dead....OUCH, it hurts!!! Now Yoko Ono has sold John out to Nike!

Well Purple, I think you and I feel the same way about Springsteen at this point. The hypocrisy stinks.

Unfortunately in these times the real people are tough to find and tougher to keep around. Situations like this is what keeps me from listening to entertainers once the music, or the movie stops. However,it's becoming tougher to do now that the entertainment industry is morphing into the political realm. I'm going home to listen to Greetings From Asbury Park.

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Feb 2, 2009 12:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SELLING OUT!! The Boss, Bob Dylan...The Dead....OUCH, it hurts!!! Now Yoko Ono has sold John out to Nike!

Good call.... When he released Asbury Park and Wild, Innocent, the extra $1,000 likely WOULD have made a big difference to him. Plus, those albums are fine snapshots of American culture!

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Poster: PeterW. Date: Feb 2, 2009 8:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SELLING OUT!! The Boss, Bob Dylan...The Dead....OUCH, it hurts!!!

"What gives you, or anybody else the right to tell another person how or with whom they can have a business arrangement? Bruce Springsteen made a deal with the "evil" Wal Mart because they offered him the most lucrative deal. If he wants to sell his music that way then that's his decision. It's his music, remember. This crap about "dropping the ball on it" sounds like a guy who signed the deal and when his lefty buddies found out he had to apologize. Did he unsign the deal? I didn't think so.

Folks need to remember that these people have families that depend on them. If they can put a product out their and people are willing to pay top dollar for it, I say more power to them. If someone offered you a thousand dollars for the dinosaur fingerpainting(come on we all did one) that you made in the third grade you would take it in a heartbeat. How is this any different?"


I guess... the first amendment gives us that right. What is so sacred about business deals that they cannot be criticized? It's not simply that he's acting like a greedy business men - tons of artists do that - it's that he claims to be more than that. I think when he pushes him image as a working class hero, it's quite fair for us to call him when he does something that clearly is contrary to that. Painting this as a "lefty" issue is woefully ignorant. The fact that Walmart treats their workers like total garbage in the US, and buys products overseas made with CHILD LABOR is not a left or right issue at all, it's a human issue, and Walmart is on the wrong side.

As far as the Springsteen family goes, I'm quite sure that they haven't had to worry about money for quite some time. This has nothing to do with family costs - it just makes him a little bit more ridiculously rich. If you want to actually talk about families that need support, you can start with the underpaid Walmart employees, move on to the small business owners shut out by Walmart, and finally talk to the children who make the goods overseas. Did you ever wonder WHY Walmart has low prices? They're low because they are built on the back of these individuals, and you can't see that, you're blind.


"Wal Mart, on the other hand, enables me to buy goods and services at a fair price in a cinvenient location."

Fair price? Uhh... cheap price, yes, but I don't think any price that is driven down due to child labor tactics can be called fair.

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Poster: sugarshack Date: Feb 2, 2009 8:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SELLING OUT!! The Boss, Bob Dylan...The Dead....OUCH, it hurts!!!

I never said that the deal could not be criticized. I believe that Springsteen was the one being criticized, not the deal. That's where my objection arose. My intent was not to paint the issue as lefty or righty. My intent was to point out the fact that all too often people's ideals often counter reality. The fact that some people, and I'm not one of them, hold Springsteen up as some sort of working man's hero, fair or not, and then knock him down when he does just what any other working man would do in his place is what got me.

As far as Wal Mart "treating their workers like garbage in the US and buys poducts overseas made with child labor is a human issue that Wal Mart is on the wrong side". Child labor is common everywhere in the world. These chidren often work as long and as hard as the adults do, and I don't like that any more than you do. I wish they didn't have to. But tell me, do you purchase only American goods made by adults? If you do, and you can prove it, I'd love to know your secret. Also, ask yourself what other means of income would those families have if they were not producing those goods?





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Poster: Thai Stick Date: Feb 2, 2009 8:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SELLING OUT!! The Boss, Bob Dylan...The Dead....OUCH, it hurts!!!

Nevermind the criticized Walmart deal, my problem is with
his use of the Guitar. Seems he could do every trick in the book, all but play the thing. Was it even
plugged in? There is no dening that Bruce Springsteen is a great American, but dont take the heart of music and play tricks with it. Play it man!!

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Poster: headgdhead Date: Feb 2, 2009 11:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SELLING OUT!! The Boss, Bob Dylan...The Dead....OUCH, it hurts!!!

"Fair price? Uhh... cheap price, yes, but I don't think any price that is driven down due to child labor tactics can be called fair."

Children NOT working is a fairly recent phenomena brought about by Western liberal self righteousness. For most of human history child labor was not only fair practice but a necessary practice for survival. Many places in the world still live that existence and to judge them based on our own value system is hardly enlightened.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Feb 2, 2009 11:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SELLING OUT!! The Boss, Bob Dylan...The Dead....OUCH, it hurts!!!

"brought about by Western liberal self righteousness" -- just like the end of indentured servitude. I say Bring it back! Freedom of contract no matter the price.

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Feb 2, 2009 8:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SELLING OUT!! The Boss, Bob Dylan...The Dead....OUCH, it hurts!!!

Fair price? Uhh... cheap price, yes, but I don't think any price that is driven down due to child labor tactics can be called fair

So you are saying that the groceries that I buy at Walmart for up to half of the price that I can buy them in the grocery store is because Walmart's cheerios, Campbell soups, Etc are made in other countries by child labor while they same products at the supermarket are not?
Is that really what your trying to tell me?
Please explain further....I really would like to hear more on this theory about the "evil" Walmart....